What heroes for general use? - Guild Wars Forums

kipni2 · Nov 25, 2010, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Hi all,

i have this question.
I want to make work of my heroes.
Until now i played just with henchies and friends who helped me.

Now i want to have 3 good heoes who help me in missions and vq.
First of all i'm a warrior.

What heroes should i choose (if needed unlock with rewards).
And then what secondary profession for those heroes?
And then also what skill template for thouse heroes?

Thx in advance.

ign : Lord Kipni

Sookie · Nov 25, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Before I get barbecued, let me state that this is my opinion...we all have them.

Your choice of heroes will vary according to where you are. In basic areas that are not too difficult, an 8-member party should consist of you, 2 monks (healing, protecting, hybrid or a combination of those), a nuker, cursing necro, minion master and your choice for the last two of the eight.

You can check with the PvX wiki for more advanced combination of heroes with specialized builds (sabway, discord, heroway, ritway, etc) as you start going into more advanced areas and obtain more skills.

BrettM · Nov 25, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17

My basic general team for all characters starting out is a healing monk, an RoJ monk, and a minion master. This seems to work well for general play. The RoJ monk also brings additional hex and condition removal, and can bring a couple of good buffs for a warrior (Judge's Insight and Strength of Honor).

Since Nightfall has a bunch of missions and quests with required heroes, it usually works out well to use Dunkoro as the healer (he is most often required), Tahlkora as the smiter, and Master of Whispers as the MM. That way you already have the required hero in the party most of the time. Replace Tahlkora with Koss, Melonni, Zhed, etc. when necessary for a mission or quest.

aspi · Nov 25, 2010, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Sookie is so right, we all have opinions (based on exp. or not) about hero builds.

For my warrior(sword) I use the 2 necros from the sabway build, just take a look at the new pvx page. And bring a Rt primary as a spirit spammer with splinter and ancestors rage. The henchmen kinda depends on the mission or area to VQ.

bsoltan · Nov 25, 2010, 11:21 AM // 11:21

With a Warrior you'll want skills that can complement and support your build, then heroes that can use these.

I'll tend to take a Channeling/Smite hero (usually Rit/Monk) and an Orders Dervish (or Orders+Curses Ele), then the last spot can be either a N/Rt Healer, N/P Minion Master or Me/Mo Interrupter.

You don't mention but I presume this is to use with yourself and henchmen. If you are using it with other people then really being as adaptable as possible is the best thing to aim for. Try unlocking most of the heroes (you get all the useful ones through playing the story anyway) and then getting a variety of skills for each of them.

godis · Nov 25, 2010, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Check out: http://www.gwpvx.com
Lots of great hero builds there.
Dont forget to put runes/insignias on your heroes !

DeanBB · Nov 25, 2010, 11:33 AM // 11:33

I normally run Gwen as a Panic build, Norgu as a Psychic Instability build, and Olias as Aura of the Lich MM + earth area spells + blood rit. So lots of interrupts and lots of minions.

I let the henchies do the healing and add 2 damage dealers.

Bellatrixa · Nov 25, 2010, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanBB

I let the henchies do the healing and add 2 damage dealers.

I don't trust Henchie healers for the most part. Especially with Aleisa's allergy to life in WiK :P "WHAT'S THAT ALESIA? YOU'VE BEEN ALIVE FOR 3 SEC- onvm" I like to spec my Dunkoro as a ZB/UA prot for missions in NF that mean I have to take him and then put the same build on Tahlkora when necessary. Both are runed/insigniaed up, the only thing I haven't done is get them some decent weapons (should really clear out my collector item stash in storage...). Same deal goes for all of my heroes that are required for campaigns.

Have to say that I loved my BfLA hero combo of Gwen (Panic), Tahlkora (UA prot) and MoW (AotL bomber). I didn't even need to see whether Alesia and Dunham were alive. Knowing Alesia, probably not :P

I think the earliest hero combo I ran was SF nuker, MM and generic heal monk. That got me through a lot of stuff. I then started playing around with other builds (you soon realise that SF in EotN isn't that great :P).

My honest advice is to unlock all heroes and find a style that suits you. PvX is a good resource but don't be afraid to change some of the builds for your own needs. I like using it as a reference site.

Stroon · Nov 25, 2010, 02:43 PM // 14:43

There are plenty of hero builds that are good. Since you play as warrior, I'd never leave town without an Orders hero to buff your damage. Add in a hero with Strength of Honor to really blow things up. You'll also want splinter weapon in there somewhere. Minions are awesome for soaking up damage, but sometimes they are just not viable (places without fleshy foes).

My suggestion would be to set up a few heroes to fill these roles and try different combinations: Orders dervish or elementalist. Rt/Mo channel/smite support. Rt channel/resto backup heals. N/Mo minion bomber/smite support. E/Mo ether renewal prot infuse for when you need big healing and are not using a minion bomber.

http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/N_Ether_Renewal_Orders
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/Mo_ER_Prot_Hero
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Rt/any_SoS_Channeling_Rit
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:N/any_Minion_Bomber
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Me/any_Psychic_Instability

If using orders, bring a couple of physical damage henchmen. Beware that most of the henchmen rangers deal fire damage (kindle arrows), so check their builds on the wiki first.

gremlin · Nov 25, 2010, 02:48 PM // 14:48

What you pick depends in my opinion of what class you are playing.

My main is a Necro when I venture out without other players I have pretty much the same party.
Heroes
The secondary skills change depending where I am or what I am attempting.

Warrior any decent Sword build still experimenting

Monk fairly old LOD build probably needs changing

Necro running a Minion Master build

Henchies
Earth Elementalist
Hammer warrior
Second healer
Second Ele

variations
When available I use a Paragon or maybe a dervish.
Sometimes I need interrupts more so swap out my hero warrior and add a mesmer.
The the henchies need to change adding a second warrior or a dervish and adding an interrupt ranger in those cases I have to take out the second ele and healer.

Heroes mostly remain the same henchies change fairly often depending where I am going.

*Darcy* · Nov 25, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Do you have all three campaigns? If not, many builds won't be available to you.

My warrior uses

Olias - Aura of the Lich build - OAhDUshnSyBVBoBKg2BlB7OXMA
Gwen - Psychic Instability - OQNDAowjOhwcgGw0pTGCL/MA
Xandra - SoS - OACjEuiMpNMzrZ5saixmcjzhJA

The only time I change that (when playing alone) is if I'm in an area with low level healers, then I will swap Xandra for a hero monk.

kipni2 · Nov 25, 2010, 03:04 PM // 15:04

and what about the sabway team,
would that work with my warrior hammer char?

Kojima · Nov 25, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28

I am partial to Zhed, Olias, and Ogden but also may use General Morgahn. But it is just a preference.

Iuris · Nov 25, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38

My team that I take practically everywhere and is able to C-space most areas even in HM:

N/Rt healer (necromancer that heals effectively and also redirects some damage to the enemy):
OAhiYwh8gtJeSzJ3wccWVvYA

My version of SoS ritualist (lots of damage over time, also adds enchantment removal and blind):
Rt/X
OACjAuiKpOXTMW1sce22cRbmJA

My protective spirit spammer (all she does is keep the spirits up - and heal a bit when they pop) Excellent way of preventing damage, giving the team time to safely grind down enemies
Rt/X
OACjAyhDJPYTr3jLcCNdmI3LGA

From henchmen, add one healer, and then all the Elementalists and Mesmers that you can find,

ashes · Nov 25, 2010, 04:49 PM // 16:49

gwpvx!!!!!!1 omfg

Thats where PvX went?!?! - Ive been missing it alot, since the old site turned grey and got abused

Thanks alot guys!

**cosyfiep** · Nov 25, 2010, 06:26 PM // 18:26

yes everyone has their own 'group' of heroes...I like to use olias as mm, dunky hb, and depending on what I am playing --one of the rits as sos (or if I am doing sos then sosuke nuking).....I usually take a healer henchie as well as a tank (devona is my first choice), then it depends on the chapter---kurzick has a good interupter mesmer so I usually take him, nf I like to bring along the mesmer as well....etc.

so it all depends on your own play style and what you want to do---there is no 'right' grouping.....

dagrdagaz · Nov 25, 2010, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I usually use;
- 1 healer hero; Ogden, Dunkoro or Livia (with a N/Rt Resto heal build)
- Gwen with a Domination/Inspiration interrupt build (i use Inspiration for better energy/health management for Gwen).
- And the best melee hero i have, wich atm seems to be Melonni.

I only use Olias as MM or MB when it seems needed.

carnage-runner · Nov 25, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53

k.. Everything depends on the area you're going to be playing. Some areas Melee is useless and therefor minions are not worth it. Or you'll be in an area where enemies have insane aoe damage and minions will again be useless. If you take PI with you the minions are great for Pi bombing... So are spirits.

I tend to take N/rt's and Rits for spirit spamming

Take an SoS, with only channeling skills, then a Sig of Strength with only communing skills. The third I usually take either an N/rt healer or a Preservation/minion hybrid. Rit/Nec with some basic minion creation, preservation and other resto spirits, and then the spawning skills Boon of Creation and Spirits Gift. You could replace one of these with Explosive Growth if you felt inclined... Taking Spirit heroes requires a fair bit of micro but the increase in part size due to spirits makes for huge PI damage and a ton of general damage dispersion. I use this with the 2 given monks and the Fire ele and Earth ele in all eotn areas and never have any issues. It's a great standalone build if you are going as a party of 4.

I am also a warrior*

The other way is to take two Minion masters, both jagged, and have one go with Mark of Pain and Barbs, and the other take Blood Bond and Blood Rit.
Then bring a UA healer with a high energy bar. This is also effective anywhere. In all cases when you have the option take a Prot and Heal hench, and two eles or 1 ele and 1 mes.

To be honest though, there are tons of possiblities... These are all suggestions that you can get ideas from... I take dual paras and a necro and run discords with a command based para for damage buffing and a motivation para for heal support. Works fine in any area. Fiddle around with heroes, and try to get all of them unlocked so you can experiment with multiple heroes of the same class and combinations of heroes of certain classes. I highly recommend the Ritualist heroes and spirit spamming simply because in PVE they are extremely overpowered. Mesmers atm are very overpowered as well and can be a lot of fun.

Try Illusionary Weapon mes and stack up illusion skills for the armor buff. turn a mes into a tank.

**Marty Silverblade** · Nov 25, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Builds (order of preference is from top to bottom of each category):

Me
*Standard DSlash (it's easy and I cbf swapping builds)
*100B is good too but I can never be bothered.
*Whatever else

Hero 1: SoS + Utility
*SoS Rit (3 spare slots for either Rit heals, Smites, or Curses)

Hero 2: Defensive Midliner
*ST Rit
*ER Ele
*Panic (still figuring this out though; the ST Rit is sufficient so I haven't put much thought into it)
*SoGM Rit (if you don't need the extra defence (i.e, Normal Mode and a lot of HM) run this instead)

Hero 3: MB/Smiter
*MB (3 optional slots for Curses, Smites, or Prots (unnecessary with the ST Rit))
*Smiter (for when there are insufficient corpses for Olias)

agrios · Nov 25, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

My current setup for warrior is:

- 1 SoS
- 1 MM
- 1 Variable: usually Ele or Panic Mez. Sometimes monk...but its rare.

Nov 25, 2010, 10:30 AM // 10:30	#1
kipni2 Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2010 Profession: W/A	What heroes for general use? Hi all, i have this question. I want to make work of my heroes. Until now i played just with henchies and friends who helped me. Now i want to have 3 good heoes who help me in missions and vq. First of all i'm a warrior. What heroes should i choose (if needed unlock with rewards). And then what secondary profession for those heroes? And then also what skill template for thouse heroes? Thx in advance. ign : Lord Kipni

Nov 25, 2010, 06:26 PM // 18:26	#16
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	yes everyone has their own 'group' of heroes...I like to use olias as mm, dunky hb, and depending on what I am playing --one of the rits as sos (or if I am doing sos then sosuke nuking).....I usually take a healer henchie as well as a tank (devona is my first choice), then it depends on the chapter---kurzick has a good interupter mesmer so I usually take him, nf I like to bring along the mesmer as well....etc. so it all depends on your own play style and what you want to do---there is no 'right' grouping..... __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Nov 25, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#19
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	Builds (order of preference is from top to bottom of each category): Me Standard DSlash (it's easy and I cbf swapping builds) 100B is good too but I can never be bothered. Whatever else Hero 1: SoS + Utility* SoS Rit (3 spare slots for either Rit heals, Smites, or Curses) Hero 2: Defensive Midliner* ST Rit ER Ele Panic (still figuring this out though; the ST Rit is sufficient so I haven't put much thought into it) SoGM Rit (if you don't need the extra defence (i.e, Normal Mode and a lot of HM) run this instead) Hero 3: MB/Smiter MB (3 optional slots for Curses, Smites, or Prots (unnecessary with the ST Rit)) Smiter (for when there are insufficient corpses for Olias) __________________

Nov 25, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03	#2
Sookie Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NoCenTex Guild: [AKA] Guild Leader Profession: R/	Before I get barbecued, let me state that this is my opinion...we all have them. Your choice of heroes will vary according to where you are. In basic areas that are not too difficult, an 8-member party should consist of you, 2 monks (healing, protecting, hybrid or a combination of those), a nuker, cursing necro, minion master and your choice for the last two of the eight. You can check with the PvX wiki for more advanced combination of heroes with specialized builds (sabway, discord, heroway, ritway, etc) as you start going into more advanced areas and obtain more skills.

Nov 25, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17	#3
BrettM Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Fuzzy Physics Institute Profession: E/	My basic general team for all characters starting out is a healing monk, an RoJ monk, and a minion master. This seems to work well for general play. The RoJ monk also brings additional hex and condition removal, and can bring a couple of good buffs for a warrior (Judge's Insight and Strength of Honor). Since Nightfall has a bunch of missions and quests with required heroes, it usually works out well to use Dunkoro as the healer (he is most often required), Tahlkora as the smiter, and Master of Whispers as the MM. That way you already have the required hero in the party most of the time. Replace Tahlkora with Koss, Melonni, Zhed, etc. when necessary for a mission or quest.

Nov 25, 2010, 11:19 AM // 11:19	#4
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	Sookie is so right, we all have opinions (based on exp. or not) about hero builds. For my warrior(sword) I use the 2 necros from the sabway build, just take a look at the new pvx page. And bring a Rt primary as a spirit spammer with splinter and ancestors rage. The henchmen kinda depends on the mission or area to VQ.

Nov 25, 2010, 11:21 AM // 11:21	#5
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	With a Warrior you'll want skills that can complement and support your build, then heroes that can use these. I'll tend to take a Channeling/Smite hero (usually Rit/Monk) and an Orders Dervish (or Orders+Curses Ele), then the last spot can be either a N/Rt Healer, N/P Minion Master or Me/Mo Interrupter. You don't mention but I presume this is to use with yourself and henchmen. If you are using it with other people then really being as adaptable as possible is the best thing to aim for. Try unlocking most of the heroes (you get all the useful ones through playing the story anyway) and then getting a variety of skills for each of them.

Nov 25, 2010, 11:28 AM // 11:28	#6
godis Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2009 Guild: LOVE Profession: N/Me	Check out: http://www.gwpvx.com Lots of great hero builds there. Dont forget to put runes/insignias on your heroes !

Nov 25, 2010, 11:33 AM // 11:33	#7
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	I normally run Gwen as a Panic build, Norgu as a Psychic Instability build, and Olias as Aura of the Lich MM + earth area spells + blood rit. So lots of interrupts and lots of minions. I let the henchies do the healing and add 2 damage dealers.

Nov 25, 2010, 02:43 PM // 14:43	#9
Stroon Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2010	There are plenty of hero builds that are good. Since you play as warrior, I'd never leave town without an Orders hero to buff your damage. Add in a hero with Strength of Honor to really blow things up. You'll also want splinter weapon in there somewhere. Minions are awesome for soaking up damage, but sometimes they are just not viable (places without fleshy foes). My suggestion would be to set up a few heroes to fill these roles and try different combinations: Orders dervish or elementalist. Rt/Mo channel/smite support. Rt channel/resto backup heals. N/Mo minion bomber/smite support. E/Mo ether renewal prot infuse for when you need big healing and are not using a minion bomber. http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/N_Ether_Renewal_Orders http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/Mo_ER_Prot_Hero http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Rt/any_SoS_Channeling_Rit http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:N/any_Minion_Bomber http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Me/any_Psychic_Instability If using orders, bring a couple of physical damage henchmen. Beware that most of the henchmen rangers deal fire damage (kindle arrows), so check their builds on the wiki first.

Nov 25, 2010, 02:48 PM // 14:48	#10
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	What you pick depends in my opinion of what class you are playing. My main is a Necro when I venture out without other players I have pretty much the same party. Heroes The secondary skills change depending where I am or what I am attempting. Warrior any decent Sword build still experimenting Monk fairly old LOD build probably needs changing Necro running a Minion Master build Henchies Earth Elementalist Hammer warrior Second healer Second Ele variations When available I use a Paragon or maybe a dervish. Sometimes I need interrupts more so swap out my hero warrior and add a mesmer. The the henchies need to change adding a second warrior or a dervish and adding an interrupt ranger in those cases I have to take out the second ele and healer. Heroes mostly remain the same henchies change fairly often depending where I am going.

Nov 25, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00	#11
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	Do you have all three campaigns? If not, many builds won't be available to you. My warrior uses Olias - Aura of the Lich build - OAhDUshnSyBVBoBKg2BlB7OXMA Gwen - Psychic Instability - OQNDAowjOhwcgGw0pTGCL/MA Xandra - SoS - OACjEuiMpNMzrZ5saixmcjzhJA The only time I change that (when playing alone) is if I'm in an area with low level healers, then I will swap Xandra for a hero monk.

Nov 25, 2010, 03:04 PM // 15:04	#12
kipni2 Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2010 Profession: W/A	and what about the sabway team, would that work with my warrior hammer char?

Nov 25, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28	#13
Kojima Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Home Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK] Profession: R/Rt	I am partial to Zhed, Olias, and Ogden but also may use General Morgahn. But it is just a preference.

Nov 25, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#14
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	My team that I take practically everywhere and is able to C-space most areas even in HM: N/Rt healer (necromancer that heals effectively and also redirects some damage to the enemy): OAhiYwh8gtJeSzJ3wccWVvYA My version of SoS ritualist (lots of damage over time, also adds enchantment removal and blind): Rt/X OACjAuiKpOXTMW1sce22cRbmJA My protective spirit spammer (all she does is keep the spirits up - and heal a bit when they pop) Excellent way of preventing damage, giving the team time to safely grind down enemies Rt/X OACjAyhDJPYTr3jLcCNdmI3LGA From henchmen, add one healer, and then all the Elementalists and Mesmers that you can find,

Nov 25, 2010, 04:49 PM // 16:49	#15
ashes Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beertown ;P Guild: RoP Profession: E/Mo	gwpvx!!!!!!1 omfg Thats where PvX went?!?! - Ive been missing it alot, since the old site turned grey and got abused Thanks alot guys!

Nov 25, 2010, 07:17 PM // 19:17	#17
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	I usually use; - 1 healer hero; Ogden, Dunkoro or Livia (with a N/Rt Resto heal build) - Gwen with a Domination/Inspiration interrupt build (i use Inspiration for better energy/health management for Gwen). - And the best melee hero i have, wich atm seems to be Melonni. I only use Olias as MM or MB when it seems needed.

Nov 25, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53	#18
carnage-runner Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada, B.C. Vancouver. aka.. amazing. Guild: [Sith] Profession: W/Me	k.. Everything depends on the area you're going to be playing. Some areas Melee is useless and therefor minions are not worth it. Or you'll be in an area where enemies have insane aoe damage and minions will again be useless. If you take PI with you the minions are great for Pi bombing... So are spirits. I tend to take N/rt's and Rits for spirit spamming Take an SoS, with only channeling skills, then a Sig of Strength with only communing skills. The third I usually take either an N/rt healer or a Preservation/minion hybrid. Rit/Nec with some basic minion creation, preservation and other resto spirits, and then the spawning skills Boon of Creation and Spirits Gift. You could replace one of these with Explosive Growth if you felt inclined... Taking Spirit heroes requires a fair bit of micro but the increase in part size due to spirits makes for huge PI damage and a ton of general damage dispersion. I use this with the 2 given monks and the Fire ele and Earth ele in all eotn areas and never have any issues. It's a great standalone build if you are going as a party of 4. I am also a warrior* The other way is to take two Minion masters, both jagged, and have one go with Mark of Pain and Barbs, and the other take Blood Bond and Blood Rit. Then bring a UA healer with a high energy bar. This is also effective anywhere. In all cases when you have the option take a Prot and Heal hench, and two eles or 1 ele and 1 mes. To be honest though, there are tons of possiblities... These are all suggestions that you can get ideas from... I take dual paras and a necro and run discords with a command based para for damage buffing and a motivation para for heal support. Works fine in any area. Fiddle around with heroes, and try to get all of them unlocked so you can experiment with multiple heroes of the same class and combinations of heroes of certain classes. I highly recommend the Ritualist heroes and spirit spamming simply because in PVE they are extremely overpowered. Mesmers atm are very overpowered as well and can be a lot of fun. Try Illusionary Weapon mes and stack up illusion skills for the armor buff. turn a mes into a tank.

Nov 25, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#20
agrios Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Location: South America Guild: Naked Stalkers of America[Nude] Profession: W/	My current setup for warrior is: - 1 SoS - 1 MM - 1 Variable: usually Ele or Panic Mez. Sometimes monk...but its rare.